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regulations.
Dr. Pullen questioned whether the plans are complete at this time. The CDS Director explained
the CRA approved a site
plan, which is a somewhat general not detailed plan. She said the
requirement for the design of the boardwalk to be reviewed by the CRA was intended to review the
exact location of the board walk because trees were involved and it was also
dealing with issues
such as landscaping adjacent to the building, lighting, and to ensure that the boardwalk would be
done within the easement and done appropriate. She said it was a requirement over and above
what is typical.
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The CDS Director said if the easement is approved
tonight, they will submit for a building permit
and if the design of the boardwalk extends over the water, will need a DEP
they that is
permit
required at the time of submitting for the building permit.
Dr. Pullen commented he has asked for the DEP permit and it has not been
provided. The CDS
Director stated it will have to be provided when they submit for a for the boardwalk.
building permit
Mr. Miller moved to suspend Roberts Rules of Order for this discussion. Dr. Pullen [
seconded motion and it carried by a vote of 5 to 2 with Miller, Reeves, Garvie, Pullen, and
Hartwell in favor and Holmes and Minich opposed.
Mr. Miller mentioned the design of the boardwalk was
approved by the CRA September 5th. The
CDS Director confirmed the CRA approved the design; that there is a site
plan design not a
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detailed building permit. Mr. Miller expressed his
understanding that Presidio came back and
addressed either the CDS Director or Malcolm Foley about
having the option of putting in pavers
instead of the brush finished concrete.
Mr. Minich questioned discussion on the boardwalk when it is an easement issue. Mr. Miller
pointed out it is subject to the design approval of the CRA on 5 September. The Mayor noted it is
not a building permit. Mr. Miller expressed he is
asking about the option of pavers instead of the
brush finished concrete.
The CDS Director explained if they plan to change what the CRA
approved in September, they
would have to go back to the CRA approval, and if they do not receive a DEP
permit they will not
be able to get a building permit. She said all the bases are covered and it is not
part of the
easement that is before Council.
Mr. Hartwell wished to know if the easement is not granted, and it is a condition of the
Development Order, if it will impact the Certificate of Occupancy.
The CDS Director replied if the easement is not granted they cannot receive a Certificate of
Occupancy based on the Development Order that was approved, they would have to come back to
amend the Development Order. She mentioned it goes a step farther because the is
project
dependent upon the density based on the boardwalk easement, so it all ties together. She
mentioned generally it is a procedural paperwork process to accept the easement.
Mr. Hartwell mentioned the easement allows for the 10'
building of a boardwalk and wished to
know the impact to the Certificate of Occupancy if it cannot be land and the
completed
on dry
Army Corps of Engineers does not approve it.
The CDS Director replied the boardwalk would then need to be developed within the easement
and they would work out the differences depending on what
happened.
Dr. Pullen commented a 10' easement does not say the boardwalk will be 10' wide and wished to
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know how wide the actual boardwalk is going to be. The CDS Director stated she did not have a
detail design but it is within the 10' easement. Dr. Pullen questioned whether it could be 3' wide
and still meet the requirements. Both the City Attorney and the CDS Director
replied no.
The CDS Director stated it could not be 3', it could be 9 %'. She believed the minimum size for a
sidewalk is 6' wide and the boardwalk is anticipated to be as wide as possible and she would
hope
it would be wider than 6', up to 10'.
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The City Attorney mentioned that the Grant of Easement Document prepared two or three years
where they are
ago to use as a blanket easement for the entire boardwalk anticipated problems
going to have to meander or go around some obstacles, or in the development have it more
narrow. She said the language of the easement document provides for that and also states that
the City shall have the to determine the exact location of the boardwalk and to place it in
right
accordance with all federal, state, and local laws.
Dr. Pullen questioned whether the City was staff or City Council. The City Attorney replied it would
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depend on where they are at that point. She told Council she spoke with Mr. McMichael today
he was
and
if it would have been pulled, but he is positioned to get a building permit next week
upset
and that is why the easement is a very big issue for him right now. She said if Council is
concerned about the design of the boardwalk and want to see that, then perhaps they could
and
separate the two issues; approve the easement as it is already subject to all the rules
out that will delay progress on
regulations, then perhaps bring back the site design. She pointed
that development.
The CDS Director reminded Council that typically the easement is granted to the City, then the
City is responsible for building the boardwalk but in this case the developer is building the
boardwalk that will basically be 10', plus or minus a foot or two in one or two locations.
Mr. Miller expressed understanding that the developer is very concerned about the Certificate of
Hesaid
Occupancy because without it he cannot move people into the floors that are completed.
he talked with Mr. McMichael and they would like to propose using pavers because they looked at
the overall design and they would be willing to pay the extra cost to put in pavers to blend in with
the other aesthetics of their facility, but they do not want to take the time to come back to the CRA
because they are really concerned about the Certificate of Occupancy. He said if they had the
option, they would like to go with the pavers in lieu of the brushed concrete.
The Mayor pointed out they would present that when they apply for the building permit, once the
easement is approved.
The CDS Director said if they do want to use pavers she would want to see exactly how they are
said staff can
going to develop it because of safety issues and staff would have to look at it. She
of the but what was presented to the CRA is
look at that as part building permitting
process
consistent with what is elsewhere and is appropriate for the boardwalk.
Mr. Miller wished to know if Council could give staff the approval of the design aspect of it so that it
does not have to go back to the CRA.
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The City Attorney stated when the CRA approved the design they would still have authority
the Development Order that gave them the original authority. She said if Council wanted to
look at
that and make some change then she would suggest that they bring the design back to Council
with a CRA recommendation. She commented that is still over and above what is done on the
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pavers or concrete.
Mr. Miller commented if staff has the authority then there is not a problem. The City Manager
CRA
stated they do not in this case because it specifically said in the Development Order that the
would approve the design; so it is impossible to say tonight what would be acceptable as far as
wishes to vote on the easement, then that is what staff
pavers are concerned. She said if Council
would suggest and if Council has an issue about whether or not they want to see the site plan
that be a separate
approval for the boardwalk and want it to come back to Council, she suggested
motion.
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Mr. Garvie requested clarification on how the DEP permit to build over the water fits in with
