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interested in moving sooner than
later. There was a brief discussion on the merits of the
internal auditor being a county employee directed by the County
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Administrator. It was consensus not to have a commissioner on
the committee.
Mr. Padgett stated 15 of the AG audit findings have been
completed and/or corrected. He said the Board is working with
the Clerk and significant issues have already been addressed not
only with TDD but in every department. With regard to
complaints from department heads about things slowing down, Mr.
Padgett said that is the environment we are in. He advised that
he is not concerned about the slowing down, noting there has
been significant positive movement. Upon inquiry by Mr. Amunds,
Mr. Padgett said he believes the committee needs at least 30
days.
RECESS - The meeting was recessed at 7:35 p.m. and reconvened at
7:50 p.m.
PUBLIC HEARING - PROPOSED FARE INCREASE OR REDUCTION OF WAVE
ROUTES
Mr. Stanford read the advertised legal notice for public hearing
to receive comments regarding proposed reductions in fixed route
service, particularly Routes 11, 12 and 33, and a proposed fare
increase for the Okaloosa County Transit WAVE.
Mr. Elliot Kampert, Growth Management Director, stated during
the budget review, staff was directed to determine the amount of
funding needed to continue routes and to compare fares with
neighboring peer systems. Comparative figures were given for
ECAT in Pensacola, Bay Town Trolley in Panama City, SunTran in
Ocala, and the Treasure Coast Connector in Port St. Lucie. Mr.
Kampert told the Board there is a potential for ridership to
decline if fares are increased. Slides were shown of current
route fares and, using staff projections, potential declines at
the 10%, 15% and 20% mark. He advised that simply raising the
fares will not solve the problems.
Due to increased operating costs and decreased funds, it has
been proposed Routes 11 and 12 in Crestview and Route 33 in
Destin be eliminated. Mr. Kampert stated any change in rates or
routes must have at least 60-day notification. He said if the
Board approves a fare increase and/or eliminates routes, those
changes cannot be implemented before November 3, 2013.
When Mr. Amunds asked what has been heard from the cities on
these proposed changes, Mr. Windes answered the City of Destin
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has sent a letter requesting the Board delay elimination of
Route 33 for one year. He said it was his understanding the
City of Crestview has requested Routes 11 and 12 be continued.
Mr. Amunds reported the Board sent letters to all the cities
more than a year ago and, subsequently, a reminder letter was
mailed but no responses were received until recently.
Upon inguiry by Mr. Parisot, Mr. Kampert stated each Destin
route costs about $100,000 and recovers approximately half that
amount. Mr. Parisot asked for clarification about Route 33,
saying he understands that bus goes to Silver Sands in Walton
County. Mr. Kampert replied in the affirmative.
Mr. Amunds stated the City of Destin is currently working on
plans to assist with the costs for Route 33 and he told them if
the City is able to contribute funding, the Board could amend
any action it takes within the next 60 days. Mr. Windes said he
attended a meeting with City of Destin staff and private
citizens. The group wants to form a consortium to develop a
funding source for the route. He was of the opinion the Board
should not be too hasty and should give this group more than
sixty days to work the issue.
Mr. Amunds commented the new split for gas tax revenues is
64%/36% and the cities could use a portion of that funding
source to help fund the public transportation system. Mr.
Kampert concurred with Mr. Amunds, verifying gas taxes can be
used for transit.
Discussion ensued regarding the total amount needed _ to
completely fund the system. Mrs. Lani Birchett, Transit Grant
Coordinator, attempted to explain the complexities involved in
grant funding, matching funds, etc. for the fixed routes (WAVE),
the Express, and paratransit. Upon inquiry by Mr. Parisot, Mrs.
Birchett confirmed the obligation from the General Fund would be
$297,075.
Mr. Amunds opened the floor for public comment, requesting each
speaker to limit his/her remarks to two minutes.
Mr. Scott Williams, Crestview, spoke through a translator using
sign language. He spoke of his dependence on the Crestview
routes (which he uses twice per week) and encouraged the Board
to make public transportation more affordable not Mmore
expensive.
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Ms. Martha Coleman, Crestview, stated she would like to speak
for the many citizens who do not have cars and the elderly who
can no longer drive. She sympathized with the commissioners
about their budget but noted that everyone is not as lucky as
they are to have their own transportation. Ms. Coleman stated
we should remember we are in this together.
Mrs. Sarah Prescott, Crestview, stated she has lived in
Crestview most of her life and is now faced with a retina
Gisease which causes blindness. She reported her four children
live in Louisiana and Oklahoma and she must depend on herself
and she does that by using public transportation. Mrs. Prescott
said she understands an increase in fares is justified and does
not mind it. She supported continuation of Routes 11 and 12 to
allow her and others “to have some manner of dignity” to get
around.
Mr. Kenny Fuller, Baker, asked the commissioners if they
understood the Sunshine Law. He told them they will be held
accountable for their actions. When Mr. Amunds requested Mr.
Fuller to address the OCT and the routes, Mr. Fuller told the
Chairman not to interrupt him and used derogatory language. Mr.
Amunds asked Mr. Fuller to make his point. Mr. Fuller again
addressed the Sunshine Law and said the Board of County
Commissioners must provide public transportation. Citizens in
the audience asked Mr. Fuller to sit down and law enforcement
asked him to make his point and refrain from ill treatment of
others. Mr. Fuller announced that he had “got too hot” and was
“ready to kick some butts” and left the podium.
Mr. DeMark Evans, stated he lives on Fifth Avenue in Crestview
behind Ace Hardware. He told the Board he is from New York City
where public transportation is provided. Mr. Evans said his
wife works at Wal-Mart and before they learned of the WAVE
routes, she walked to and from work; a distance of about five
miles. Mr. Evans pointed out that many people cannot afford
cars or can no longer drive. He said public transit helps
people who cannot help themselves.
Ms. Cassandra Perkins, Fort Walton Beach, stated she uses Route
33 four or five times per week. She said many people depend on
the transit to get to work. Ms. Perkins works in Destin.
Ms. Ruth Owens stated she uses public transportation three or
four days per week. She said her grandchildren live with her
and that is how she gets to doctor’s appointments, Wal-Mart, and
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Winn Dixie. Ms. Owens said she did own a car but cannot afford
to have it repaired.
Mr. Chester Williams, Crestview, stated he is retired military
and recently retired from the Department of Corrections. He is
employed by OCT and drives Routes 11 and 12. Mr. Williams
stated there are many areas of the city which are not covered by
the buses and redundancy in others. He recommended OCT talk
with the drivers to get input on how to modify the routes.
Mr. Wendell Batey, Laurel Hill, referred to the discussion on
public transportation at last year’s budget hearings. Mr.
Harris said his remarks were “use it or lose it.” Mr. Batey
said it appears the. buses are running only at 40% capacity over
the last seven months and ridership is down by 7%. He supported
a system which runs in the black and asked the Board to be
efficient with taxpayer money.
Ms. Debbie Craner, Holt, stated she has been a bus driver for
OCT for six year. She agreed with Mr. Williams about revamping
the routes and suggested Routes 11 and 12 be combined. Ms.
Craner asked the Board to step up and change the routes to make
them viable. Mr. Parisot asked for clarification that Ms.
Craner is saying Routes 11 and 12 don’t need to run as
frequently. She replied that is correct.
Ms. Nancy Jackson, Crestview, asked about the ADA law and
providing transportation to the disabled. She said this is
evidently not being considered. Ms. Jackson felt the routes
should be re-evaluated and told the commissioners not to forget
Crestview is part of the county.
Mr. Amunds stated, “You know OCT is not a government function.
It is a private contractor.” He said the county cannot tell OCT
how to structure their routes.
Ms. Jackson again said the routes should be evaluated and
someone should talk with the drivers. She expressed concern for
North County, remarking that she pays taxes and is part of the
county too. Ms. Jackson stated there should be no division and
it should function as a county, not specific cities.
Ms. Shashana Richardson pointed out there are many parts of the
city which do not have sidewalks to walk and if the routes are
discontinued, she will have to move. She stated that before
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learning of the buses, she walked two hours and fifty minutes to
get to work.
Ms. Jasmine Glover, Fifth Avenue in Crestview, stated the
financial situation for the people in this room is not the same.
She did not believe a lot of people know about the buses.
Mr. Eric Davis, Planning Director for the City of Crestview,
said there are a number of stories about dependency on public
transportation. He stated he has met with Mrs. Birchett and Mr.
Kampert to discuss changing routes and advertising. He agreed
there are inefficiencies in the public transit routes. Mr.
Davis stated a transit study was done and it showed the
Crestview routes were losing money; he continued, saying that
all routes are losing money. He questioned the action to defray
costs by eliminating two Crestview routes and a Destin route.
He pointed out the four Fort Walton Beach routes and three
Destin routes don’t make money. Mr. Davis felt if bits and
pieces are taken from the system, it will stop working. He said
Fort Walton Beach has no incentive to come to the table because
its routes are not in jeopardy.
Mr. Amunds asked what the likelihood is of the City of Crestview
dedicating some of its revenues from gas taxes to public
transportation. Mr. Davis replied he cannot speak for the City
Council. He questioned why Crestview should have to pay
$110,000 and Fort Walton Beach pay nothing.
Mr. Harris stated all the cities were asked to meet and provide
input. He reiterated that last year he said “if you don’t use
it, you will lose it.” Mr. Harris said that was not taken
seriously last year, noting the ridership decreased, but the
city is serious this year.
Mr. Parisot asked what would happen if the Board was resolved to
fund only 50% of the program and it became Crestview, Fort
Walton Beach, and Destin’s responsibilities to fund the
remaining 50% or it would all go away. He remarked he cannot
see throwing good money after bad.
Mr. Amunds called that approach a long shot and said the Board
has a 60-day window from the date of this public hearing. He
said the Board may choose not to fund the system anymore and
wondered if the League of Cities would have enough time to meet
with the municipalities and get a commitment to use a portion of
their gas tax revenues to support public transportation. Mr.
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Kampert
